Top #42 “Evolution”

Hungry for taco’s. Thinking I might eat 1.5 of them. On a diet ya know 


You got 1.5 hours left on the people’s choice Pandora!!

The Pandora is now officially retired! At this point it still is in second place for amount of standard sales but still amazing! Thank you for encouraging me to undertake such a design. It was a lot of fun!

Stay tuned for the biggest announcement ever for BilletSPIN! You can expect to see it sometime in the next 1.5 weeks. Have yourself a wonderful Sunday my friends and thanks again for all you do!


Found inception downright good, especially Tom. It was so good I could watch it 1.5 times.

acronym, get it now?

Official BilletSPIN Announcement!!

I am pleased to announce that BilletSPIN will be releasing its first ever Fidget Top!! I have been putting in some long hours getting this design ready. It is unlike any top we have ever made.

We will be debuting this top in a live video on Youtube starting noon central on February 28th. You do not need a youtube account to watch, simply go to YouTube and you can watch it. It will also be uploaded after it is finished so if you missed it live, you can still watch it. The video will cover all the combo’s and any questions you might have on the design. We will be doing a GAW during the video as well. Winner gets one of this new design.

Once the video is done, we will post an official information post here in the BilletSPIN facebook group as well as the business page. The post will contain all pertinent information and pictures of each combo. We will also start uploading pics to Instagram at that time. This will give you a few days to decide which combo/combo’s you want to get.

The pre-orders will happen on starting March 2nd at noon central. The sale will last 2 weeks. There will be 5 standard combo’s priced at $150 plus shipping and will be unlimited for the duration of the sale. There will be 10 exotic combo’s starting at $200 plus shipping. All exotic combo’s will be limited due to material availability and once they are sold out, they are gone for good. There will also be 2 stemless variation, one standard for $150 plus shipping and one exotic. The exotic will be limited. No limit to how many you can order.

We expect all tops to be shipped by end of April at the latest. Probably much sooner depending on how many are ordered.

PLEASE spread the word on the live video debut. If you know people into fidget related items, this might be a top they would be interested in. Any help getting the word out is MUCH appreciated.

Thank you for the continued support. I cannot wait until you all get to see this one. Have a wonderful week,

Rich Stadler

Reid Branston start the countdown timer on the website that counts down to the live video. Thanks!!

This was a semi-collab with Tim Kowalik.


Join us Live for the unveiling of BilletSPIN’s first ever Fidget Top! Feb 28th noon central on the BilletSPIN Youtube Channel:


There will be a GAW during the live video! Tell your friends!



New design going well!! I am deciding on material combos now and waiting for the rest of my exotic materials to arrive. There will be another teaser pic today! The name has been chosen and that will be revealed in a teaser pic on Saturday. Monday and Tuesday will be spent at home prepping the live video!

I am so excited for this! If you have any questions or comments of the information that has been released thus far please reply here. Starting today, things will start getting more exciting leading up the unveiling on the 28th.

Not every design looks good with certain materials. They each cater to a specific look and feel. I have a clear favorite so far of all the combos and I promise you it will shock you. Once you see it though I think you will understand. Sometimes less is more and the color contrast is spectacular

It’s coming…February 28th…noon central…join us LIVE for the unveil…


Stinking Facebook. It was all in focus before I uploaded it…

you guys all missed it, it’s the Pro II…  😛  😛  😛  😛 😛

GAW…sort of…reply with what you think the name of the new top is. One entry per person. Tomorrow we will random draw a name from the replies. That person will get to see pictures and videos of the new design. If someone guesses the name first, they will win a standard combo of their choice.

Good luck and please share the date for the live video unveiling with your friends!

Ok all the 1.5 I guess was not a good clue. It’s….wait for it……….

1.5” in diameter

I will try to make my clues easier next time…😛

I will draw it out


GAW has ended!! Nobody quessed the name. Congrats to Patrick Burritt on winning the sneak peek! PM incoming and please do not ask him for pics.

Join us Live on the BilletSPIN YouTube channel February 28th noon central for the unveiling of BilletSPIN’s first ever Fidget Top:



Getting warmer…

Want to see it in focus? Join us Feb 28th noon central as we unveil BilletSPIN’s first ever Fidget Top, Evolution!

All I can tell you is that I had a proto and played with it constantly as I was making tweaks to the design. It will not replace a fidget spinner but it is cool.


Hello you wonderful people! Hope your day is amazing so far! Who’s ready for Wednesday?

Sales of the Evolution will begin Friday noon central. Standards are $150 plus shipping and exotics start at $200. The sale will run for 2 weeks. Standards are unlimited and exotics are limited due to material. There will be 6 standards, 11 exotics and 2 stemless. Sales will happen on

Join us 

Got to be honest, not feeling well. Got the shakes and a fever coming on. I know what your thinking but are you silly? I’m still gonna send it

I am down to one last teaser 😞 I am going to miss them when they’re gone. I saved the best for last though. Tomorrow!!


Finally done prepping for the video but the computer will be working for the next 1.5 hours. Teaser will come after that and I think it will be music to your ears…

This is all I got my friends 🙂 Looking forward to hangout out tomorrow noon central for the unveiling of the BilletSPIN Evolution!!

18 hours to unveil and 66 hours until the Evolution goes on sale!!

Just over 4 hours…

2 hours…

Just a heads up, you will have to be present during the GAW portion of the vid for a chance to win

The live video will start at 11:55 with a 5 minute countdown timer. This will allow people to find it and get settled in. Action starts right at noon. Save your questions for the q&a portion but I would love to see some comments during the unveil! At 11:55 central go to this link. The video should be right on top!



The big question, how did you like my special guest lol

Official Evolution Standard Combos. $150 plus shipping. Sale begins on March 2nd noon central and will run for 2 full weeks. No limit on orders and as many as are ordered during the sale will be how many are made!

1) Br/Cu/Br-63g
2) Cu/SS/Cu-69g
3) SS/SS/SS-62g
4) SS/Br/SS-62g
5) SS/Cu/SS-63g
6) SS/Cu/Br-63g


Official Evolution Stemless Combos. Sale begins on March 2nd noon central and will run for 2 full weeks. No limit on orders. All SS is unlimited throughout duration of sale and is $140 plus shipping. Zirc/Spiro/SS will be limited and and will cost $240 plus shipping.

1) SS/SS/SS-58g
2) Zirc/Spiro/SS-51g


Official BilletSPIN Evolution Exotic Combos. These will go up for sale on March 2nd on Sale will last two weeks unless sell-out happens first. No limit on ordering. All exotic combos are limited and will not be offered again. Prices do not include shipping.

Expect 4-8 weeks before shipping!

And just some fun shots of the BilletSPIN Evolution!

For those that missed the live video today and want a condensed version, here ya go!

Things are pretty chaotic in here at the moment so if you are having trouble following the pertinent info just check out our business page:


I found more tungsten so we have enough to make a good amount of the W/Al/Al.

We have a decent amount of all the materials but these are your most limited combo’s of the Evolution:

Bearing Care, CHECK THIS OUT!! I will be uploading this to YouTube as well. This video will also be on the website order page. If you have ren wax applied, it will resist the Nitro Force a bit but it will remove it eventually so you will want to reapply if you don’t want patina.

Just having some fun

W/Al/Al Evolution (click to watch in Facebook)


Sue Stadler: This one right here…

4 hours

Let’s get this started!! I want to hear which Evolution/Evolutions you got and why you picked that/those combos! Let’s keep this to orders only. This will help me when picking out future combos to make!

30 minutes to go!!


WOW, amazing all. Insane

BilletSPIN Evolution Fidget Top on sale NOW!

Just got back, looks like the Timascus/Spiro is sold out! So glad I ordered the amount of materials I did.

Folks this is nothing short of amazing. Truth be told, I love you. I have not checked quantities in a bit so I will soon and let you know if any others are close. Thanks again

Twist Dammy/Timascus/SS
Zirc/Black Timascus/zirc

These three are getting low in quantities!


Well yesterday was horrible. Like really bad. Tons of scrap but we got her purring like a kitten now! Just a reminder the Evolution is a 2 week sale and once that is over, it is gone for good!!


Little inner disc spin time action


We are really getting in the flow now! Don’t forget March 16th noon central is the end of the sale and these will never be offered again!

Progress? (click to watch in FB)



Just a reminder, the Evolution sale ends March 16th at noon central. After the sale ends, these are gone for good!

Home with the Flu so I had to rush this one a bit. Hope you still enjoy it!

THESE WILL NOT BE MADE AGAIN! Last chance to get an Evolution!

Sue Stadler: Don’t let this one pass you by!
Stainless Steel/Timascus/Stainless Steel


Sue Stadler: Going…


Feels?  (click to watch on FB)


Sue Stadler: Going…

Tick Tock! Evolution sale ends Friday noon central!! Last call

Credit goes to Tim Kowalik for the idea!

Went perfect with the tick toc


Almost gone…….
Like your chance to get in at the source for the newest rage hitting the top scene…
The Evolution Fidget Top!
Sales end today at noon CST never to be offered on the website again!


942 1 hour left to go. Live video starts in 25 minutes


I would like to gently remind everyone that as stated several times “The sale of the Evolution was a pre-order sale (meaning we didn’t have any made until orders were placed) and all tops will be shipped once all have been completed.” I am anticipating shipping to happen end of March or beginning of April. NONE of them have shipped yet and NONE of them will ship until they are ALL ready to go. That is all, thank you!


I have received enough negative feedback to this idea so I will just throw these in the trash. This discussion is over so let’s not resurrect it. Thanks for the honest feedback, it is appreciated


Countdown to fulfillment! I will be updating/editing this post weekly. We have 985 Evolutions ordered and shipping will begin immediately after they are all made.

985 to make
399 made as of 4/4

We are on track to ship late April. Hopefully it stays that way


Live video coming at 8am central (45 minutes from this post). We will show the machining process of the Evolution, give some updates and answer any questions!

Machining the evolution, progress and Q&A! (click to watch on FB)


Important Evolution Update:

Bad news  We had a material screw up that I would prefer to not elaborate on at this time. As of right now one particular material we had in stock is not acceptable. We got a small supply in that is good but not enough to make the orders. We are expecting the rest early next week. Due to the fact we had a large number of scrap pieces due to the material issue, we have been set back. As of 4/18 we will have over 3/4 of the total Evolution tops made and will begin shipping. We expect to have everything shipped by end of April for sure which will max out out 4-8 week shipping time we advertised.

I apologize for this issue and appreciate your patience.


Obviously shipping has begun today. Things are crazy here due to material issues. Please be patient if you don’t get a shipping notification, the process will take until the end of April. The people you email/message are the ones doing the shipping so if they have to answer a ton of messages it will only set shipping back. Thanks for understanding and I will make sure to let everyone know when shipping is completed. If you have questions after that we would love to help! Have a great week!


Horrible cell pic but this is how the Dammy is turning out!


BIG shipment going out today but it will be Monday before they all ship.


Last two Matrix combo’s going up on on 4/30 noon CDT. $350 plus shipping. I will get pics up later!

All Evolutions will have shipped on Monday!


Sue Stadler: All Evolutions have shipped! Thank you Lindsey, for being awesome!!

February 2018 News

Very exciting things happening in BilletSPIN land 

Ok all made more progress. We will be doing a live vid tonight on YT to go over wave 3 and spin bases. This will be another “more official” attempt to work out the bugs in the new live vid software. Vid will start at 7pm central. I believe you can only comment if you have an account but if not you can still watch.


Sue Stadler: Exciting news!!
We will be in Vegas for the USN Gathering. And we will be trying to figure out a get together in the area at that time. Is Aug 31 – Sept 2.


Busy day yesterday getting more lighting for the live video set up. Made a lot of progress and learned a lot about the software. Thank you for the amazing support of the Pandora! It is now in second place for total standard material sales and we still have the 4th wave and people’s choice!

Thanks again and have a wonderful weekend. I am going ice fishing today for walleyes. If I get any I will post a pic or two. Been a long week working in the studio so I need a little break.


Sue Stadler: That address though….😆😂😆


Sue Stadler: Customer Appreciation Day!
You are welcome….


I have never loved her more

January 2018 News

I am not sure if I ever shared this but this was an invention I came up with in 2007. It did well but just took too much time with my day job so I stopped makig it in 2010


Sue Stadler Trying to figure out an idea for another BilletSPIN get-together. Sooooo…sell me on your area and give me some good ideas.


Just a reminder for those that struggle keeping up with the pertinent BilletSPIN information, we have a business page for just that reason.


Sue Stadler Thanks for driving all the way to Oshkosh, Tim Kowalik! Was a fun time at dinner and really awesome seeing the drone work! Safe trip home. Tell Char it was great to meet her and we will definitely come visit some time soon.


Sue StadlerRich Behrens, hope you like your winning top for the quickest pic!



Lots to discuss! BilletSPIN Live video with Sue and I at 10am central this morning! You got questions? We got answers. We have the schedule for the remaining waves, new products and other exciting news. Join us!

We will be giving away a free Pandora!

LIVE VIDEO QUESTION POST! You got questions, submit them here and I will make sure we cover them!

10 minutes to live vid! Post your questions!

Live vid! Special guests, GAW, new products, Pandora schedule, Q&A and more! (click to watch on FB)

Live Video Follow up:

I would love some feedback on if you would like to see more of these. 1 hour long, planned in advance with a specific itinerary. Special guests, GAW’s, Q&A’s and any BilletSPIN updates. This would give you time to come up with questions. If you don’t like the idea you won’t hurt our feelings so please speak your mind.

If you do like the idea of more of these style live vids, let us know what day and time works best for you and be sure to include your time zone.

Thanks again all and have a great day!

Rich & Sue


Happy Sunday all!

Official Pandora Info and Combos

Wave #1
Release on 1/16 at noon central

Wave #1

#1 Cu/Cu/SS/Cu

#2 SS/SS/Cu/Br

#3 Br/SS/Br/SS

#4 SS/Cu/SS/Cu

Wave #2
Release on 1/26 at noon central

#5 All SS

#6 Br/Cu/SS/Br

#7 SS/SS/Br/SS

#8 Cu/Cu/Br/Cu

Wave #3
Release on 2/2 at noon central

#9 Br/Br/SS/Cu

#10 Br/Br/SS/Br

#11 SS/SS/Cu/SS

#12 Cu/SS/Cu/SS

Wave #4
Release on 2/13 at noon central

#13 Br/Cu/Br/Cu

#14 SS/Cu/Br/SS

#15 SS/Br/SS/Br

#16 Cu/Br/Cu/Br

People’s Choice
#17 SS/Br/Cu/SS
Release on 2/17 at noon central

Top Case

Quick and easy question… When looking for storage and carry cases for your tops, what size do you look for? Plus, are there things that make one case better than another? Thanks for the info. -Sue-


Top case prototype. Any feedback would be appreciated!


BilletSPIN case update. Price came in higher than expected. We will be selling these for $45 plus shipping. We expect them to be up on the website around 12/12. I will have more details with pics and a video before then. Thanks!

Sue Stadler It is extremely durable, has clasping locks and can be locked with a padlock. Will be a deal for what you will be getting.

Rich Stadler plus each case will come with love…our love and who can put a price on that


BilletSPIN Carrying Case

Will hold 30 tops (1.25″ and smaller). Larger tops would have to be stored next to smaller tops. Case is made in USA.

Sold on at noon central on 1/16


Shipping is $15 domestic and $60 DHL International

Jason Maker Do you expect these to sell out quickly?

no idea, we have never sold cases before. My gut tells me it will take a while, maybe a week


BilletSPIN Carrying Case for tops. Made in USA and will hold 30 (1.25″ diameter) tops. Dimensions are 11″ x 10″ x 5″. Has two locks and two holes for padlocks. It is also waterproof.

Going live on on 1/16 at noon central.

$48 plus $15 domestic and $60 DHL International


BilletSPIN Carrying Case for tops. Made in USA and will hold 30 (1.25″ diameter) tops. Dimensions are 11″ x 10″ x 5″. Has two locks and two holes for padlocks. It is also waterproof.

Going live on on 1/16 at noon central.

$48 plus $15 domestic and $60 DHL International


BilletSPIN Cases will be on the Accessories page! Pandora will be on the Tops page! If you are ordering a case, please select the correct shipping option for the case. Thanks all!

Top #41 “Pandora”


Hopefully I start the new design late today!! This new design will not go up for sale until next year. I am pumped, this ones going to be crazy. Lots of pieces, tons of machining and…big. I will post some teaser pics occasionally throughout the remainder of the year. Wish me luck  🙂

Don’t be offended if I don’t answer any questions about this new top…  🙂


We have not done much but not being able to take certain teaser pics is killing me. This part needs to be hidden as I don’t want you to know how I made this certain feature. I will make a GAW later for whoever can guess. Just know we have the 1st operation about 40% set-up and it looks cool


folks, here comes set-up #3 and this is where the real magic happens on this top. I always get excited when things start coming to life but this is sooooooooo different than anything else that I just can’t hardly contain myself. If everything goes well I will be able to post a excruciating teaser pic for you. Hopefully you can get as excited about this design as I am after that. Going to be a fun day hopefully!

Its a balancing act. Do I just unleash on this thing or make the most of a $250 price point. The writing is on the wall already. Cycle time is massive but this one has sooooooooooo much insane potential. I might have to do different levels of this one to accommodate all. I just really want to go nuts


This thing is evolving. It’s nothing like what I had originally planned already. I am liking the direction it is taking. If today goes well I might be able to post a teaser but don’t bet on it.

Here is the way this works, I get a rough proto done with no real detail. The proto proves out the assembly and ratio’s. Then I continue to make boring prototypes to get the assembly and ratios correct. Next I start adding detail to each component to make it look cool.

As of this moment, I am on set-up 5 out of 8 to make the original prototype. I can see the possibilities but pics at this point are hard because you won’t see what I do and it will be disappointing for you. BUT with that said, I have a creative idea to tease the crap out of you with pics. You will hate me by the time this design is complete lol.

can you tell I am having fun

plus I like making new posts so Cami Lewis thinks it might be the pics she is waiting for lol

trust me, it is just as excruciating for me. I want to see this come to life so bad. Been on this design for months

so some might wonder how I can be on here when I should be out at the machine. Well great question! At this moment I gave my son instructions to prep the machine for set-up #5. He is getting the tools in, telling the machine what kind of tools they areand “touching them off” on a sensor so the machine knows exactly where the tip of each one is located. Once he is done with that we start making the program. It has taken a few hours just to get this certain component chucked up in the machine. By “chucked up” it means the machine is holding onto it.

Since I have a little time while my son is getting tools in the machine let me share some random thoughts. As a maker, I seem to have found my style. I like certain features. I like spikes, fangs, dimples and see thru “rim style” components. Many of my previous designs have used these elements. I don’t see getting away from this style so people could accuse me of making a frankentop by just repeating similar elements.

This top is definitely different. My fear is that only those with machining experience will really be able to appreciate the work that went into this one. In this top it is not about what you can see, it is about what you can’t see. Similar to the 4 metal and PBC in that aspect. So yes, it will have sharp things that can draw blood. It will also have so many features it will take you a while to really see all of them. The current design will have a claw style ball set similar to the pro but that could change.

Just a bunch of random junk going thru my mind. I can’t multitask very well and my mind is focused on the top. I will be useless for a while lol.

the bottom of this one will be the most insane of any top I have made if this works like I am hoping

yup, I like it

the assembly of the hardest part is proven. The hard part of the prototype is over. Still a lot of operations to go but should be pretty smooth sailing now


This thing is eating away at my brain and sanity lol. It is like endless tweaking but we are making progress. I got one big component to make yet today hopefully. If all goes well, the only thing left to make after today is the stem. This is for the proto though so there will still be an insane amount of tweaking to get the final version. So far so good, I am very pleased with how it is looking.

I was not planning on revealing this much. Keep in mind, this has a LONG ways to go so please don’t make me regret giving you a little tease  🙂

Tomorrow’s project is the bottom. My original plan did not look as good as I wanted. What you see is not at all what the bottom will look like other than the claw.

Randy Gleckler Rich…..I was thinking you were doing something like this for “claw ball”. So disappointing. Lol j/k

honestly that is what I had pictured for the original claw. I tried it but it would not hold the ball well enough due to abuse.


Now we are getting somewhere…  🙂


another proto just closer to the finish design. More changes have already been made. It is a beast  😛

Quick potato vid

its going to have a stem

took a few hours of pondering last night to come up with the bottom

No to interchangeable stems. Not sure on combos. Got to finish the design first

Back to work! So far so good today! Have a good one all

Made great progress today. This one is pretty photogenic  🙂 I start on the stem tomorrow!

Ben Pose Red, see trough ruby ball!

I agree if you dont plan on spinning it

Joaquin A. Ortiz Is the bearing ball the same size from BS Pro?

yes sir!

I get that a lot when I post pics of new designs without the stem. THen once the stem is in nobody wants stemless anymore. This one is quite tall for a stemless

Don’t everyone get too excited yet. The cycle time on these is atrocious. I ordered a bunch of tooling today to try to optimize the best I can but they are just going to take a very long time to make. Like a LONG time. This is an absurd amount of machining and a lot of components. I am not sure how I will handle sales. Once optimizing is done I will come up with a plan. Complicated is awesome and I would have it no other way but it comes with a price.

This top has 9 operations. Yes, 9. I got 4 machines. But man, its so freaking cool lol.

Edit: just so this hits home with you all, I could make about 4 K2’s in the time it takes to make one of these. I am guessing price will be $300 and I did and am doing all I can to keep the price down without sacrificing too much.

All SS. it will be an option for sure

This one was 80% art focused. I wanted to take it even farther but I already bit off more than I could chew.

It’s Machine time. I don’t want this design to take 5 months

5 with the stem tentatively

Optimizing is about reducing the cycle time of the machining

ok all, how many pcs is the proto so far and what does it look like inside? First person to get it all right will win a congrats from me and depending on my mood, something tangible. Going to need a sketch to win and the ball does not count as a piece


Well I am glad this is not to obvious! Makes all the time I spent designing it worth while

supper time, I will check in later

David Goldman

David Goldman Top down is SS, SS, Cu, SS, Ball. Both the SS and Cu are pressure fit against the inner wall of the top SS, kinda like how the PBC. Cu ring shown between top and bottom shells (aesthetics). Bottom Cu fits inside the bottom shell. Not shown, there are likely cutouts on the Cu piece, kinda like the SS piece above it, to line it up with the SS piece below. The stem will connect into the SS piece above the Cu.

I am going to give the congrats to David Goldman. Maybe someone else got close and I missed it due to communication but he drew it out pretty accurately


The stem design has begun. Sucks tearing down a machine to do it but we need to bring this thing to life!!!!

Willy Demis What does that mean? Chuck replaced with collet closer and bar feeder?

No, different jaws, tooling and filler tube and material

Well folks, it is done. I am so happy with this design. It has done everything I wanted it to do. I have to go home and get pics for you. I am beyond excited right now. THANK YOU for your support and encouragement to do a project like this. I sincerely hope you are as excited as I am once you see pics. This is a great day. Due to the intricacies hidden inside of this top, its name shall be Pandora. I will talk more about the guts of the top in a future video.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you…Pandora! We chose this name due to the intricate machining hidden in the core of the top. This new top from BilletSPIN is made from five pieces (not counting bearing ball) and measures 1.37″ in diameter. This SS/Cu combo weighs in at 84g. It features a 5/16″ carbide bearing ball for a contact point. The contact point can be replaced on this model! Price will be $300 plus shipping on standard material combinations. The release date will be mid-end of January.

Pandora spin video. It spins crazy good lol. I was not expecting that at all. Super easy to launch and stabilizes well!!

I am exhausted let’s talk(click to view in FB)

Family time with Pandora

Pandora vid. Check this one out  🙂


Important Pandora update: Due to the nightmare of making the Pandora from timascus, I have only made two and those are for the people that we screwed up the shipping on the Omega top. So the Pandora will only be SS, Copper and Bronze combo’s. No zirc, timascus, SC, tungsten etc. I will keep you all posted on when these will go live but tentatively plan on mid-end of January. Thanks!

Really just want this design to showcase the machining

Bradley Turner Is it possible to flame half the SS components so you still get the contrast?

Not with this assembly. The all SS will just have an all machined finish

Working on the combos now. Hopefully know by end of next week

Just for you all, man the things I let you talk me into… 7-9 minutes Spin times

Oh and that’s on a hardened ball because my carbide is not here yet

This thing is a blast to spin


AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH carbide bearing contact point (lol) will not be here until next week  🙁

A little progress but a ways to go!


there are 3 tri-metals in that vid

much much much better pics coming next week of all of them!

Whatever is there is what the combos are. There are so many possibilities but these were what I liked best

it’s like anything, I would have to make 500 to appease everyone and that’s just not possible. The video will show these much better next week and I hope I did good on the pics

the problem is the amount of machining. Zirc cuts much more difficult and I don’t have a parts catcher on one of the machines. Due to that I have to do a tiny bit of machining with no coolant and had a huge fire from the zirc chips. So definitely no zirc on this one

I will tell you there is one combo that is by far the best imo. I will talk about it more in the next video

You will see a breakdown video next week!

Thanks all! I wish I could make every possible combo but keeping it to these 13 will allow us to make more and give everyone a better chance to get one. It will also make this less confusing for us to manufacture and trust me on this one we need all the help we can get. I am looking forward to the assembly process video

Steven Davila Which combo is the sturdiest, for the less graceful among us?

Bronze and SS are pretty durable

There is going to be 15 combos. I need to make two with SS outers and a SS stem for those non-patina folks.

But that’s it  😛


Been spinning this thing all day lol


Just chillin is sub zero temps


Pandora update: I should get the Carbide bearing balls in today or tomorrow. I will finish up the other combo’s tomorrow or Friday. I should have pics release date and release schedule by Monday.

I will tell you this much, I am going to release these in waves and more than likely 4 combo’s per wave. This will allow us to ship right away and not sit on inventory and will allow you to receive them faster after you paid. I don’t have all the details down yet as we just have to see how many I can make first. I appreciate your excitement and patience!

Thanks to a couple amazing people, I found a good supplier with them in stock and a better grade! They will be here next week so fingers crossed!


Pandora update: We should be good to go with the big contact points! This is a huge relief. I am working on all the combo’s now and the goal is to have pics up this week.

As of now, I am planning the first wave release to be 1/16 at noon central on in limited quantities. We will hopefully have 4 of the 16 combo’s available for $300 each plus shipping.

I will know more by weeks end. Thanks for your patience and have a great day!!

The How it’s made video is uploading…

It’s up

Here it is all, the How it’s made video of the Pandora!

Willy Demis I don’t know if you want to go down this path, but I’ll admit to two things: 1) I’m completely ignorant about CNC machining, and 2) I recognize this is apparently a pretty common misconception.

That said: are you able to shed just a little light on holding tolerances?? As a hobby machinist using a manual lathe- I know exactly what that means for my manual equipment where I physically touch the dials. But if you tell your craaaaaaaazy expensive CNC lathe/mill to remove .0001” does it not happily, and accurately comply?

I think you know by now that when I ask- no disrespect is intended; I am *genuinely* curious.  🤓 I know this question could be easily taken the wrong way.

I wish it was that easy. Tool pressure, tool wear, material variations etc are the issue. In order to hold tolerances this tight you have to make adjustments on nearly every part. It takes a very skilled operator with a very good setup to accomplish it in a timely manner. I could go much farther in detail if need be

One easy example is if I have a copper stem running at .44000 and put in bronze it will cut around .44060 just due to tool pressure from the material variation.

every fit has to be within .0005” OD to ID. That’s holding a .00025 tolerance on each piece unless you plan on fitting each part which we don’t. We strive to make all parts universal to each top. That’s not always the case but that’s what we try to hold.

George J Schaefer this may be a dumb question, but in the end, what keeps it together? Is it just the super tight tolerances? Or is there a weld done on the Stem from the inside? I know that may throw off the balance

It’s a couple of things and to be 100% honest it took me a very long time to refine these techniques. I don’t like to share that particular info.  🙁


Pandora questions or comments? I got a little time(click to watch in FB)

The contact points are here. I just have to clean them and run home for the vid and pics! Should have it all tonight!

Pandora Wave #1 to be released on 1/16 noon central

Wave #2 date TBD

Wave #3 Date TBD

Wave #4 date TBD

That is all 16 combo’s. I might do one more of my choosing but I doubt it. Let me know if you have any questions!


All 16 Pandora combo’s!

No exotics

I am just really really excited


Going to be doing individual pics and a vid of Wave #1. Anything in particular you want to see? I should have it all done this afternoon

Pandora Wave #1! Available on January 16th at noon central. $300 each plus shipping.

Russell McKelvey I know this is subjective, and you may not have spun them all nearly enough, but any insight on which of the combos you think spins the “best” (not the longest)? Thanks for making so many combos available!

I could not tell any difference but my guess is any with copper prongs holding the ball will spin a microscopic amount better than the rest


Thanks to Alex Bueno, there are 81 possible Pandora combo’s if the outer collars are made from the same material (243 if they are different).

I have definitely never seen this many posts and messages asking for combo’s and I think that is because this is a special top. I love the interest and nobody would love to see all 360 more than me! Unfortunately a lot of the feedback I get contradicts itself and that is the predicament I am in. Can’t keep everyone happy, which is frustrating.

The main feedback I am following is less drug out designs which will equal more designs over the course of 2018. Doing so will limit the number of tops of each design as we can only make so many and the Pandora combo’s will all be pretty limited.

For those not getting the exact combo you wanted. I feel ya. Like I said, nobody would like to see all of them more than me. It is just not possible and I did my absolute best to give as much variety in the 16 combo’s as I could do. I hope you understand.

Have a wonderful day!



Deleted Charts, poll…watch this

Joshua Dawson One piece tops are less confusing 😜

calgon take me away lol

PLEASE READ ALL OF THIS POST: So here is my solution and your opportunity. Add your combo and vote for it. The combo with the most votes will be made as the 17th combo. There are only so many poll spots so please DO NOT add funny options as a joke!!!! Label them from out to in. SS/Br/Cu/SS for example. There are 4 pieces per top as both outer collars will be of the same material. If you want to go with 5 that is your choice but you will have to specify top and bottom. Please one suggestion per person. IF this goes bad, I will delete this poll and this option is off the table. Just trying to keep everyone happy as best as possible.
Here is a short vid explaining how the materials are designated:

Here is the official chart (THANK YOU Daryl Pritchard) less the 17th people’s choice combo!


We ready for Tuesday?


Pandora update: Due to some errors/scrap, 1.1 and 1.2 are much more limited that 1.3 and 1.4.

Also, the big contact point is very sensitive to any debris/dust on it or the spin surface. If yours has some shimmy to it, make sure you clean everything carefully. 100% of these were tested  If you got any questions, let me know!


45 minutes to my most excited release yet! I can’t wait for these to start arriving 

ITS ALIVE!!!!!!!!!

over 50% sold out on total qty. THANK YOU.

Well the qty survived the flood  🙂 Looks like I made enough! About 70% total qty sold as of right now. YOOZE ARE AMAZING!! Thanks again!!!!!

this was better than I had anticipated. That happens often in the group  🙂 I really did not want to start off the design with a super fast sell out so I tried to make enough. One of the combo’s has plenty left but the other three are down there. Good stuff

Ok all, I am heading home to work on pics and a vid for wave 2. Thanks again, it means more to me than you know. Have a wonderful afternoon!


Pandora Wave #2! Going live on on January 26th noon central! $300 plus shipping


Sue Stadler All shipping is completed! PLEASE, as a courtesy to me, if you have any concerns, questions or issues with the shipping or the tops – contact me first. If I need to get Rich involved, I easily can, but most issues I end up dealing with anyway. Sometimes things can get lost in the “translation” from him to me so it’s best if you contact me directly. You can PM me or email Looking forward to the happy and excited pics of the Pandora! Don’t let me down! First person who’s (whom’s?) top I shipped out TODAY that posts a pic will win a free Thrust of my choosing.


Sue Stadler Wave 2 is all bathed and put to bed! They’re ready for tomorrow’s release, are you?


12 minutes all!!

Thanks again and have a great weekend all!


Pandora Wave #3 and BilletSPIN K9 crystal Top Stands!

February 2nd noon central
Pandora -$300 plus shipping
Clear Top Stands- $30 plus shipping
Red/blue/black-$40 plus shipping


So which is your favorite?

Sue Stadler: This is my favorite combo! The subtle difference between the bronze and stainless offset by the contrast of the copper. Yummmmmmm!

Sue Stadler: Soooooo shiny!

Sue Stadler: How about these?

Sue Stadler: Here ya go, Tim Kowalik!


Sue Stadler: So pretty together…


Wave #4 Pandora!
-2/13 noon central
-$300 plus shipping

IG Pandora GAW happening now!!

Follow BilletSPIN on IG, copy the photo and post it on your feed using the hashtag in the pic and copy/paste the rules


Two hours until wave 4!

Thank you as always for your continued support of BilletSPIN!! I think you all know what is next, THE PEOPLE’S CHOICE! I will do pics and a vid of it tonight with all the details. Have yourselves a wonderful day my friends!!


Live video here in BS at 2 central to talk about the people’s choice(click to watch on FB)

Just a heads up our driver was in an accident while taking today’s BilletSPIN shipment to the post office. More than likely a lot of the tops will be junk. We will rectify this as soon as possible and keep you posted. None of the tracking numbers that were emailed today will be correct.

Driver is fine

People’s choice Pandora! Going up for sale on Feb 17th noon central This will be a 24 hour sale and we will make as many as are ordered.

$300 plus shipping


Pandora Wave 4 packages have safely made it to the post office today!


Stressful week. Busy week. Weight loss is going well though. Down 1-1/2lbs on the week so far.

Aaron Chapman Did you have to scrap many Pandoras after the accident?

yes, 19 I believe


Peoples choice is up now a! 24 hour sale


You got 1.5 hours left on the people’s choice Pandora!!

The Pandora is now officially retired! At this point it still is in second place for amount of standard sales but still amazing! Thank you for encouraging me to undertake such a design. It was a lot of fun!

Stay tuned for the biggest announcement ever for BilletSPIN! You can expect to see it sometime in the next 1.5 weeks. Have yourself a wonderful Sunday my friends and thanks again for all you do!


Sue Stadler: Quick update on the international packages shipped out February 14 and 15. First, that wave was the one that was in the accident so if you are tracking a label made the 14th, it’s an invalid label and won’t track anywhere. The ones printed on the 15th seem to be having some tracking issues and most still show the package in Illinois. Just had one member tell me his has made it to him but it still tracks only to Illinois. I’m guessing the tracking is off on those packages and I ask for your patience in waiting for those packages. They are on their way, although it doesn’t look like it in tracking😆


Sue Stadler: Ok, it’s been almost 6 weeks since we shipped out the last big orders of Pandora and I’m wondering where they all are?! International Peeps: there were major issues with tracking. In fact, most still say they are in Carol Stream, IL. 😂😂 I know that’s not the case for most of them but if you still haven’t received yours that shipped out in February, can you message me and let me know?
Stateside Peeps (and international that have received yours): where are all the amazing pics? I NEED MORE!


K9 Crystal Top Stands


Folks I got a gift today that is just amazing. I can’t wait to post pics of it tomorrow!! I think yooze are going to want to get one (or a hundred) of these. Absolutely stunning

Brace yourselves, you are about to see him post a pic of it (them)

This is insane

Just wait 🙂 I am so pumped! I have no ties with this product but it’s a must have

Ok all check this out! See the replies for more pics! These are just amazing!!! I have no ties with the guy that makes these but I would love to sell them on the billetspin site but it would probably be easiest to buy direct from him. I will give you more details as I get them!


BilletSPIN K9 Crystal Top Stands with spin base on bottom. 2 variations, one with BilletSPIN logo and one without. Coming to on 12/14 noon central. $30 plus $5 domestic and $15 international ($35 DHL optional).


BilletSPIN Top Stands go live on in 30 minutes!!

its a bit more concave than I would like but still usable



Let’s seem some heavily used BilletSPINs! I want to see some wear!

December 2017 News

Wow, sounds like everything sold out!! You all rock!! Thanks for the support! We made it to Orlando in one piece and survived the 50 kids on the plane going to Disney. Hope you all have a great weekend!!

Tell me again why we live in Wisconsin?

Dang what a fun night. Thank you all for taking time to hang out with us. It meant a lot to Sue and I. So nice to put faces to names. I doubt I will have a voice tomorrow but so worth it. What an amazing community. I wish you all save travels back home and a wonderful weekend!


Hello from Jamaica!


Ok all, post a pic of your favorite BilletSPIN design/combo of 2017! You don’t have to own it.


Merry Christmas all you wonderful people. It’s been a great year getting to know you more and getting to meet some new people as BilletSPIN continues to grow. As most of you know, Sue and I are people of Faith and Christmas to us is about the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I know not everyone shares our beliefs and that’s ok. I just want you to know we care about each and every one of you and if you ever want to talk about faith, or are just going through a hard time, we are there for you.

This community is about so much more than just selling tops and Sue and I talk all the time about you all. Thank you for making this group what it is and thank you for your friendships.

From the bottom of Sue’s and my heart, have a Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays.

Rich and Sue Stadler

Welcome Jon Sauer! For those that don’t know, Jon is a legend and it’s an honor to have him in the group!


Going to bed, we’re rockstars…See ya next year! Love you all

November 2017 News

I got a favor to ask! Can anyone that has won a top from BilletSPIN please respond. Could be an gaw, SUS, scavenger hunt etc. Please only respond if you have been one of those people. Normally I love joking around but this is not one of those times. If you don’t want to reply, I understand. If you have and are ok with responding, reply “yes”. I just want to see how many people total have won tops from BilletSPIN. I know, weird but I really appreciate it!

Thank you all, I really appreciate you sharing!!


Well I have not had to do one of these in a very long time. Unfortunately it is needed since there are some people in the top community that feel the need to create drama and negativity. This is not present in this group and for that, I thank you all soooooo much. Folks we have enough garbage in our lives so I try my hardest to keep that stuff out as I know none of you want that. We come here to share this wonderful passion for this hobby we all love. We also hear of people going through hard times or struggles and we try to encourage and uplift them. That is what “community” is all about.

My advice to all: if you are part of a group that seems to have a lot of drama and negativity and it gets to you, leave. Sooner or later you will be affected. Focus on the things and places that bring you joy, after all that is what a hobby should do. I have left many of groups due to this reason and out of sight, out of mind is a very wonderful thing.

Just know that the extreme majority of people in this community are wonderful caring people.

With this said, if there is anything we at BilletSPIN do that upsets you or you don’t understand, message me. I will do my best to explain it. If at that point you are still upset, feel free to post it to get others opinions. I am no perfect and make my share of mistakes. Constructive feedback has molded BilletSPIN into what it is today. My request is that you come to me first to understand my reasons.

I know that this post in of itself is drama but with some of the things going on lately and the overwhelming number of messages I have had this weekend I thought I better say something. If you are reading this and have no idea what I am talking about, you are doing it right 🙂

SO, today is a new day! Lets make it awesome. Lets finish this year focusing on what got you into tops and the love you have for them. Lets remember all the good this community has and the amazing things we have accomplished together as a family.

Have a great week,

We are very close on Billetspin first carrying cases and those crystal Top stands I posted a few weeks ago! Got the dammy Thrusts tomorrow and the wheels are working on future stuff  🙂 tomorrow I start on Brian’s sight unseen auction top and then the special GTG combo. After a long weekend, things are rollin!! Yooze all have a wonderful night and just know things are gettin crazy up in here!


BilletSPIN Tops Update:

Couple of my main goals for 2017 was to offer more exotic materials and to offer different finishing. It seemed like a great plan and it sure was a great learning experience. There were unforeseen consequences though which have made me reconsider these goals for 2018.

BilletSPIN’s mantra back in 2015 was to make the coolest tops we could out of standard materials. That allowed us to focus more on design complexity rather than materials. We are going to focus more on this as we move into 2018. I LOVE exotics and we will always offer some but not nearly to the extent we currently do. I feel like my hands are tied because I try hard to keep certain price points. Exotics just cost a ton of money so the machining has to be reduced in order to keep the prices reasonable.

So what does this mean? Well I want to be totally honest here. It means that we will be upping the complexity overall to our designs to focus on machining rather than materials. Prices will be effected on those designs but will still be under the prices we have been selling the majority of the exotics for. Using standard materials will not handcuff us on quantities. This means everyone should have a great opportunity to buy these. This also means fewer designs overall with more quantities of each design.

In addition to the standard Stainless Steel, Bronze, Copper and brass, we will be using a lot of zirc and titanium. The reason is the material is easier to get in large quantities and it offer’s a ton of variety in colors we can generate. We will still be offering different finishes on all these materials.

The Thrust will finish as planned using all the materials I have posted. This change will go into effect AFTER the Thrust is retired.

Due to Sue and I going on a vacation in December, it is not looking good for a Christmas top this year. I apologize for that 🙁

THANK YOU all for your continued support of BilletSPIN. I am GREATLY looking forward to taking designing to another level. Have a wonderful day,

Rich Stadler


I wonder how many tops Billetspin has made. I really have no idea anymore but if I spent some time on it I could get pretty close. What’s your guess? Post your guesses and I will let you know who I believe is closest!

Well after some math, we are right around 23,000 tops sold. That’s a lot of tops!! I doubt there is a place in the world we have not shipped to which just shows this hobby is worldwide. It’s so cool to be a part of it. I still remember the day I found that set of dice on eBay which started me down the road to create Billetspin.

I see we had a misprint on the website, that will be addressed shortly. It should have been 10,000 at the time of that posting. Good catch!!


Everyone that attends the meet and greet will be getting a free top that will only be available by attending. I like to be upfront with everyone about stuff like this and it just our way of saying thanks for taking the time to hang out with us. If you have not signed up yet, contact Sue Stadler!


And this is where it all began. This was the first top I ever made, not design, literally the first top.

23,000 tops later…

Welcome Evyn Stadler to Billetspin. Evyn is my oldest daughter whom I am very proud of  🙂


Happy Thanksgiving all you amazing people. We all have much to be thankful for. My life is better because all of yooze are in it. Hope you have a fantastic day my friends,

Rich and Sue

October 2017 News

Billetspin gtg Florida contact Sue Stadler for more details!


Florida get-together: here’s the plan so far.
We will be staying at the Orlando Airport Marriott Lakeside. The get together would be in the evening on Dec 1st at the bar/restaurant unless we have a lot of people let me know they are going (not expecting that) where I would need to find more room. As of now I have two people who have messaged me they would be there.
I would love to meet many of you and we may have something special there too, no guarantees yet though. So I need to know whom might be there so I have a head count. I know it’s still several weeks off but I like to get things planned. If you don’t want to message me just reply “In” and I’ll know you are interested.
Thanks and happy spinning, Sue



Insomnia live vid. This is how I take pics and vids. If you are interested in the camera and lighting I use, check this out. Sorry for the quiet voice, family was sleeping.


This is just the tip of the iceberg


So these guys are taking some BilletSPIN stuff to SEMA along with their insane truck to show off. If anyone is going to the show, look them up and say hi! What an awesome gesture on their parts and a great exposure opportunity for BilletSPIN!

Folks I got a gift today that is just amazing. I can’t wait to post pics of it tomorrow!! I think yooze are going to want to get one (or a hundred) of these. Absolutely stunning

Brace yourselves, you are about to see him post a pic of it (them)

This is insane

Just wait 🙂 I am so pumped! I have no ties with this product but it’s a must have

Ok all check this out! See the replies for more pics! These are just amazing!!! I have no ties with the guy that makes these but I would love to sell them on the billetspin site but it would probably be easiest to buy direct from him. I will give you more details as I get them!


So Ella (my youngest daughter) and I wanted to go make something today and decided to make some whistles. Once we got a functional design, she tweaked them to look cooler. They are loud lol. They are not for sale, they are hers and I hope they remind her of the time we spent together today!

Proud daddy


GAW, Ella’s Prototype whistle. It will come with a COA with her signature from BilletSPIN. It is plain SS and plain as we needed to prove out the whistle before using high end materials. Anyone that contributed to one or both of Lindsey’s waffles gets two entries and everyone else gets one.
To enter just reply with a feel good picture, meme or gif. I will draw the winner tomorrow.


Ella and I will be doing a live video together tonight where she picks the winner of the whistle GAW. Lets plan on 4pm central unless Sue Stadlersays otherwise… 😛

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttttsssssssssssssss Ella! GAW winner will be announced here!